Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: All right, ladies, have you ever experienced a wardrobe malfunction?
[00:00:05] Speaker B: A wardrobe malfunction?
[00:00:07] Speaker C: Yeah, something.
[00:00:09] Speaker A: Oh, okay, let's hear.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: Yeah, okay. Okay. So, you know, and the worst time in your life to have a wardrobe malfunction is when you're in junior high, right?
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Oh, those are so tough.
[00:00:19] Speaker B: I know, I know. I think I was, like, probably 13 or something like that. And I had these shoes, like, I think they're kind of coming back in style because all 90s things are coming back in style now. And they were like velvet, chunky heeled loafers. Did you guys ever wear chunky heel? Can you picture when I was talking.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: About, like, in style in junior high?
[00:00:37] Speaker B: Oh, well, I don't think I really was either, but I thought these were so cool. Except that I was, like, growing. Like when you're 12, you're growing so fast. And my feet were growing and so they didn't fit the greatest. They were a little small. And I was at a sleepover with my friends and we were going to church in the morning. And, you know, you sleep in as late as you can and then you get ready really fast.
And it took me forever to get these shoes on. And I had to have nylon. I had to borrow my mom's thigh high nylons just to, like, be able to like, slick my feet into these shoes a little better. Because I just couldn't let go of wanting to wear these velvet chunky heeled loafers.
And what I didn't realize until I was in the car was that these thigh highs. Do you guys know what I'm talking about with thigh highs? Yeah, tell me.
[00:01:21] Speaker A: You know what thighs like a nylon. But that doesn't go all the way up. Right. There's like the grippy things.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: The grippy things on the thigh.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Well, I had borrowed my mom, which I don't have. When's the last time you guys wore nylons even? It's been a long time.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: Long years ago.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. Yeah. So I shouldn't have even, you know, shouldn't have even done that. But I thought, oh, no, they're too big for me or something, because I was like, I could feel them in the car already, like, falling down my legs. And I had a skirt on, like, oh, my goodness.
By the time that we. I like, got out of the car and into their church, they were at my ankles.
And I'm like, trying to figure out how to walk so that nobody can see. I mean, I had like a maxi skirt on, so it was like almost covering them, but so I like, ran to the bathroom first thing and I. But I knew that, like, if I had. If I had to take them off, I wasn't going to be able to get my shoes back on. So I don't know. I think I spent way too long in the bathroom. I think that the family was a.
[00:02:16] Speaker C: Little worried about what you learned at church that day.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: I know, I know I had nylons because, you know, it wasn't that they were too big, it was that I had them on inside out.
[00:02:26] Speaker A: So the grips were like holding to your skin.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Learning.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that was my. That was my story. What about you, Allie?
[00:02:33] Speaker C: Yeah, how about you, Ali? I don't know about a malfunction, but I've definitely made some poor. Also shoe related, but shoe related. Made poor choices with shoes a couple times.
I think of a few years ago, we used to live in Germany. My mom and my aunt came out to visit and we decided to do a girls trip to rome, just the three of us. And it was like a 48 hour trip. So we had to see everything in rome in like 48 hours.
But I wanted to look cute because I felt like, well, people in Rome probably look cute.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
[00:03:05] Speaker C: So I wore these, like black boots that went really well with a pair of pants.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: I had like, what kind of black boots are we talking? Like, they were like, oh, boots.
[00:03:13] Speaker C: Or are we talking not leather, but.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: Like leathery, like, like, like up to the knee?
[00:03:16] Speaker C: Yeah, like that. My feet hurt so bad. I like, that's my. I mean, it was a fun place to be, but man, my feet hurt so bad. A sensible person would have worn tennis.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: Shoes because there's a lot like Rome.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: Is known for st.
From that point.
[00:03:32] Speaker C: On, I always chose comfort over style. There was another time too, that we had a girl's night out and I wore heels, and I don't normally wear heels. And we were walking around and I had this blister forming on me on my heel. And so I ended up taking a panty liner out of my purse and I like, you know, taped it on.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: The inside of my shoe.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: The joys of womanhood.
[00:03:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I really.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: I feel like if we had been friends back when I was 12, you would have had some sort of, like, creative solution for me with my whole thigh high issue.
[00:04:03] Speaker C: Any panty liners in your purse that.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: You could maybe did? I don't remember, but yeah, yeah, Tape. There we go.
What about you, Steph? Anything?
[00:04:16] Speaker A: So for me, I don't really know if this would be considered a malfunction. Because it was definitely self imposed. But mine was also in junior high and I had friends over.
And in Michigan there are like these huge beetles that come out like near the end of the summer. Like they're sometimes like one or two inches long. Like they're like the cicadas. Yes, the cicadas. So we live in the woods and I was out on the porch and it was like when those huge flared jeans were in, which are again coming back in style, which is super exciting.
[00:04:42] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: Well, apparently one of these had crawled up my leg and I didn't realize it until it was like starting to get more narrow in the jeans and it was like at my thigh. And all of a sudden, like I feel something and I look down and I see this big bulge like on my leg. And in front of everybody, not thinking, cuz there's a bug, I start like unzipping my jeans. It's like start taking my jeans off and like halfway down realized there are people around. This is not ok.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: And I like freaked out. And it was really bad.
[00:05:10] Speaker B: Okay. But I don't blame you. Oh, I never really thought of like flare jeans as being just like a little entrance way.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: Apparently the cicada thought about it. It was bad.
[00:05:20] Speaker B: It was bad.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: I don't know how I didn't feel it crawling up my leg until that point.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: Maybe it was crawling up the inside of your jean.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: I'm going to think differently about my flare jeans now. I don't.
Welcome to the Gospel Threads Podcast, where we uncover gospel themes woven through all of scripture and explore what they mean for our lives today.
Here we are, you guys starting a podcast.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:05:58] Speaker B: So exciting.
[00:05:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:06:00] Speaker A: So we're doing Gospel Threads podcast, which to you as a listener, you know because you've clicked on this episode to listen to it. But really what this is podcast is, is we're just three friends exploring the themes we find throughout scripture with you guys in your ears.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: I love it. And so by themes, what are, what are some things that we mean by themes?
[00:06:19] Speaker C: Well, the Bible is one big story, right? Comprised of many different books, many different authors, but it is one cohesive story. And we find these themes sprinkled in throughout scripture. And really it's just any reoccurring idea or concept that keeps showing up that ties together to tell the story of scripture. So if I can give an example, if that would be okay. Yeah.
Maybe the theme of covenant. That's a theme. That's something that we see often starting all the way in Genesis. Going all the way through revelation, we can look at different stories and passages of covenants and explore the Bible that way. Or the theme of sheep and shepherds.
That's one that appears also right at the beginning, and it goes all the way through, and it tells. Tells us the redemptive story in God's plan for us.
And at the heart of each one of these themes is. Is Jesus. And so each season, we want to pick one of these themes, and we want to work our way through the Bible, and we want to look at some of the passages that it. That it shows up in.
[00:07:28] Speaker B: I love that you explain that so well, and I love your different examples. And there's so. I mean, there's so many.
[00:07:34] Speaker C: Right?
[00:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Right now we're getting our garden ready, and so I was thinking about the theme of garden. And we know, like, right off at the beginning of the Bible. Right. The Garden of Eden. But then you see, they have to leave the garden. And then you see, like, the absence of garden, like deserts. And then you see even, like I realized through a Bible study we did at our church a couple years ago in the tabernacle, there's actually, like, a lot of decorations in the tabernacle that's very reminiscent of, like, garden with pomegranates and the priest clothes. And then in the New Testament, you see, like, Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane.
[00:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:05] Speaker A: Jesus's tomb was in a garden. In a garden.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: He was mistaken for being a gardener. Yeah.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: And then in Revelation, you see, like, so much garden language, too. And so I kind of look at themes almost like a parable, like, in Jesus's teachings.
[00:08:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That's a good way to explain it.
[00:08:20] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: He would use parables. So he would use things that are in our everyday life to teach us something greater.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: And how nice to have, like, a tangible picture of something that represents something that's more abstract, you know, like the. The gospel and all different things relating to the gospel. So. Okay, I know that you guys, I. I feel like I kind of had a vague idea of these themes, but I don't know if I even would have used the word themes before this. But, you guys, how did you come to, like, come to see themes in Scripture?
[00:08:55] Speaker A: Yeah, so it's actually funny. It wasn't at the same time, but we both attended the same workshop.
Nancy Guthrie does traveling workshops on the Bible workshop, I think is what they're.
[00:09:04] Speaker C: Called the Bible Theology Workshop.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: Okay. So you and I actually attended this in different Years, not together.
And this was something that just blew my mind because I grew up in the church. And so sometimes when you grow up in the church, you get that pride of thinking that you know how to view the Bible and, you know, the, like the.
I knew the meta narrative of scripture, which for those that might not be familiar with that, just the big story of the Bible where there was creation and then there was the fall, people sinned, and then there's restoration, redemption.
Yeah, so I knew that. But to actually look at the different themes throughout Scripture, that was a new concept that I had never. It was never on my radar. And it blew my mind that after 30 years of my life, that this is. This is there and I'm seeing it everywhere now, but yet I had no idea.
[00:09:52] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll never forget. At that workshop, one of the things she did was she picked a theme. I think at the one I went to, she talked about the story of the Bible through the lens of king and kingdom. Did she do that when you went.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: She did, remember?
[00:10:03] Speaker C: And she told the whole story of the Bible in maybe like 10 minutes or so through that lens. And so of course, she started with the language that you would want to use if you're talking about a kingdom. And she'd say, once upon a time there was this king. But she pulled out all of these really important pieces of scripture that pointed to how God is our king and he wants his kingdom to be close to him. And there is this rival fighting for his kingdom, and so he sends his prince to come in and save the day, and in the end, his whole kingdom is restored to him. And she told this story and it blew my mind. Like you said, at that point, I didn't have a good understanding of the metanarrative of scripture.
I was familiar with a lot of these stories, but I didn't see how they connected. And so when she, when she did that, it was the first time that I had really heard of the Bible, talked about that way of one big story.
And I was hooked. And I was like, I want to learn how to do this for myself. I want to learn how to pick a theme and to trace it all throughout the Bible so that I can have a greater understanding from whatever viewpoint we're looking at it from. That was really transformational for me too.
[00:11:20] Speaker B: I love, like, as you're even talking about it, it's almost like just, well, okay, if you were to ask someone in church to just be like, hey, what is the gospel? Like, tell. Tell me what the gospel is. Like Your mind starts, like, kind of racing with, like, what are all of the, like, major things that I need to think of, that need that encompass the gospel. But having these, like, themes has been such a beautiful way to learn of this theme packaging for the gospel that you can. It's the same message, but in all these different, like, really tangible, really, like, beautiful ways to describe what Jesus has done for us and God's whole plan for humanity from. From creation to redemption and restoration. And so even I think about, like, super helpful for. For me personally, super helpful.
Just in fun to just, you know, nerd out about it is fun. But even, like, thinking about my kids and how I can talk about it with my kids or with someone who's not a believer and being able to give them this, like, this different packaging that simplifies the gospel without it being so, like, heavy and theological that people are like, I don't know what you're. I don't know what you're saying.
And it's right there in Scripture. That's what's like, so beautiful, too, is that it's not something that we're crafting ourselves. It's something that the. The Word was written with that I just love.
[00:12:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I've heard it said that the best interpreter of the Bible is the Bible.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:45] Speaker C: So for us to be able to take these tools, it's really what this is. It's a tool to, like, be able to understand this a little bit better.
[00:12:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: But how about you? So we attended the workshop. Can you share how you came to see themes throughout the Bible?
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Well, like I said before, I feel like I kind of had this, like, vague idea of themes. Like, you kind of. When you're listening even to worship music, you hear things about, like, mountains and water and things like that that are traced throughout the story of Scripture. But I don't know if I would have used the word themes. It really came about, I think more clearly when Ally and I were talking about the. The first women's conference that we did at Peace Church and trying to nail down, okay, what if we were going to do this? Like, what kind of. What kind of conference theme do we want to have? And I was like, well, how neat would it be to do something that was like a tangible. That was tangible, that really had a symbolic, like, I don't. I don't know, that was symbolic for people so that when they left, every time they thought of this thing, they.
[00:13:47] Speaker C: Would also think of it in the Bible and think of what they learned there.
[00:13:50] Speaker B: Yeah. And so you Talked about this conference that you guys went to with Nancy Guthrie, and that was where we kind of narrowed it down to some different themes and realize just how. I mean, how much potential there was to really make the conference really rich and beautiful by teaching people the gospel through these themes.
[00:14:12] Speaker A: And I think what's really interesting is once you started these, it changed, I think each of our relationships with the Lord and even how we're communicating with each other. Like, I remember with us getting ready for that first conference. That first conference theme was clothing.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Which is. We fell in love with it, the three of us together, which we thought it was fitting to then do our first season here with clothing.
Um, but I think we were constantly nerding out with each other. We had the. The app voxer, and so we would constantly, like, vox each other. Oh, my word. Did you see clothing here in the store? And it's like, oh, my word. I have read that story how many times. It never picked up on the clothing.
[00:14:44] Speaker C: It's everywhere, though. Like, once you start seeing it, you. You just. You'll always see it. It's just. There's a lot there.
[00:14:50] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: Cause this hasn't been, like, an academic exercise. I think sometimes it's definitely like, you can look up the Word and you can see it all throughout there in a more academic way. But I think this has impacted each of our relationships with the Lord and in our personal walk, as well as, like, how we're reading our Bible.
How has that really changed for you, Ali?
[00:15:08] Speaker C: Yeah. So I would say that a lot of these themes kind of help to see a different part of God's character.
When we studied the theme of clothing, I just saw how, like, provided for I am, how much he cares for me, to keep covering me in his grace, despite my sin. He does it over and over again. And we're going to get into that this season.
And then when I look at the theme of him being king and how his character demands worship, he will be worshiped. He is king. He is mighty, and he is powerful. And so we get to see these different parts of his character.
And that's important to me because this, the Bible, it only scratches the surface of who he is. And it was. It's what he gave to us. And I can study this for the rest of my life, and I will just begin to scratch the surface of what is in this book. And so he is. He's unsearchable. Like, I can spend my entire life seeking him, and I am never gonna know enough about him.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: I Think for. For me, the theme, especially of clothing has just continued. You know, that was almost three years ago that we did that conference with the clothed theme. And, yeah, it still has just reverberated throughout my life of. Of thinking about the. Putting off and putting on and thinking a lot about, like, how God's. God's design for us, that he clothed us in his image, which is good and beautiful.
And then just like, personally, though, wrestling so much with shame, whether it's like body shame or shame over my sin, and seeing how the Bible, like, this theme of clothing just speaks so much about that in particular, and it covers other things besides just. Besides just shame. But that has especially been, like, just really anchored me in some of my, like, personal struggles and wrestling with the ways that the enemy wants to tell us lies and make us believe things that are untrue about ourselves and things that are untrue about. About God.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: So what about you, Steph? I know that it has had a powerful impact for you, too.
[00:17:24] Speaker A: So, actually, what you were saying earlier about the provision was huge. As we were getting ready for the conference, my husband was facing a pretty significant health issue.
And our theme verse for that was that, you know, God clothes the lilies of the valleys and will he not also clothe you? And I actually ended up through that season right before the conference, got a tattoo on my forearm of lilies, because it hit me that, you know, we. We're seeing the flowers and we're seeing the beauty, but if God clothes them in their splendor, will he not also give me food to eat? Will he not provide for me? And so when you're facing suffering and trials to just rest and God will take care of me. He will provide for me.
Really, really was a huge way that God acted in my life and my family's life, and that's something that will always be really special, specifically through that first conference of clothing for us.
[00:18:15] Speaker B: I just love how rich the themes are.
[00:18:18] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: And so, okay, this season, which we're about to kick off, is going to be on the theme of clothing, which is, you know, pretty on the nose.
Our podcast is.
But. But we thought it was appropriate, and we just love. We just have all been so impacted by this particular theme. And honestly, I think that we didn't get enough time to talk about it at the conference. I think this is like, our extra bonus content.
[00:18:44] Speaker C: Perfect.
[00:18:46] Speaker B: But there are a lot of other themes in the Bible we can't wait to talk about again, though, just focusing in on the clothing. Oh, Allie, you Look like you. Well, wanna say something?
[00:18:56] Speaker C: I think I'm going in a different direction than you are. I was just wondering if you could, like, share what are some of the other themes that you like, really want to talk about?
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Ooh, that was a good question.
You can go first.
[00:19:06] Speaker A: Okay. So my family, a huge thing in our life this last year is we got goats.
And so I am like, super geeked out on the sheep and shepherding. And it's funny, this last Bible study we were to teaching and I got like the passage of I am the good shepherd. And so seeing that and studying that and then having these silly goats at my house, I am super excited to.
[00:19:25] Speaker C: Say about that one.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely.
[00:19:27] Speaker C: I love it.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: I think for me, one of them is like, is water.
Because we think around what. Around West Michigan especially. You know, we're recording this in May and everybody's getting ready to go to the lake, you know.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Yeah, we just had huge storms roll through with flooding with water.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. You have so many thoughts about water. I heard someone say once that they.
She was saying, she's like, I don't really know if I want to go to heaven if the sea's not going to be there.
She was joking of, of course. But like it, you know, Revelation talks about there will be no more sea. And it has reframes for our West Michigan minds of like loving the lake to that. In their time, the sea was a threat to them. Like, the water was unpredictable, predictable, and it was. It was dangerous. They didn't have nearly the, like, safety measures that we had on the water. They didn't have life jackets, you know, they didn't have no.
To get help, no radios, no radar, no anything like that. And so.
But there's like some significant things about water that I think would be a really fun thing.
[00:20:34] Speaker C: That'd be really.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: Did you have one that you were thinking of, Allie?
[00:20:37] Speaker C: Yeah. I love the idea of God's dwelling place, his home. I like that somebody I'm. We've moved around quite a bit, and so home has been, you know, a lot of different places for us. And it has been for God too. He's. But one of the themes that I've seen throughout Scripture is God saying to his people, I will be your God and you will be my people. And we see that he just wants to be in the midst of his people. And so he goes through great lengths to do that.
I mean, even coming down to earth from heaven to be with his people.
It's just beautiful.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: My mind's like Already lingering is, like.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: Getting longer every day.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: Okay, we got it. Okay. Zeroing back in on clothing. What are maybe some of the Bible stories or Bible passages that are familiar that people would be like. Oh, yeah, I guess I do see. I guess there is a lot in.
[00:21:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: Scripture.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Well, I think we kind of talked about it a little earlier, but right away at the beginning, you know, we're. We're clothed in God's image, but we're physically naked. And then sin comes into the world, and it's at that point that there's the shame of the nakedness.
And God kills an animal and clothes them so they are covered in blood, which points to Jesus later coming down and covering us in righteousness through the blood that he shed on the cross and the grave clothes that are left, you know, after he has resurrected from the dead.
And so, I mean, right off the bat, it's like, in your face. It's right here.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: One of the most familiar Bible stories ever.
[00:22:06] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: And then fig leaves, too.
[00:22:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Clothing figs.
Trying to cover their shame by themselves.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: So what any.
[00:22:14] Speaker C: I also think of yo. Yeah. There's so many. I think of Joseph and the coat of many colors.
[00:22:19] Speaker B: There's a whole musical and.
[00:22:21] Speaker C: Yeah, right. Do you want to sing a song for us?
[00:22:23] Speaker B: I have never seen the musical. I haven't either.
[00:22:26] Speaker C: No, I haven't seen it either.
[00:22:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:22:30] Speaker C: Yeah. And all the drama that. That starts and.
Yeah, there's a lot there.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: Swaddling clothes.
[00:22:38] Speaker C: Swaddling clothes.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:39] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:40] Speaker B: I think of, like, white robes are all throughout. And then, like, the priestly garments, like the priests have. I mean, there's whole chapters devoted to just how the. The priests were to dress.
[00:22:51] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:22:51] Speaker A: Or even, like, the armor of God. Right. Like, that's. That's clothing that you're putting on for protection.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:57] Speaker C: The Proverbs 31, where.
[00:23:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, close. Strength and dignity.
[00:23:04] Speaker C: Yep. And even, like, the fact that it also talks about she is making her clothes and selling them, and she's like, you know, doing a lot of stuff.
[00:23:13] Speaker B: So, I mean, we could go on and on with the familiar ones that I think that people would be like, oh, yeah, check, you know.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:23:20] Speaker B: Taking inventory.
What about the ones that are more obscure?
[00:23:23] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: So I found, as I was reading a couple weeks ago, Jeremiah 13, and I'm like, guys, we have to talk about Jeremiah 13. It's so funny. So God tells Jeremiah to go buy a loincloth.
[00:23:36] Speaker C: Oh.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: And then to wear it for a couple days, and then to go bury it in the river. Like the side of the river. And then tells him later, go dig up, like, the underwear that I just told you to bury on the riverbank. And then it. It's. It's this parable that God is having Jeremiah show the people. And he says, these people who refuse to hear my words, who stubbornly follow their own heart and who have gone after their own gods, shall be like this loincloth, which is good for nothing.
[00:24:03] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:24:04] Speaker A: And I'm just like, oh, my word. God told him to go bury his underwear. And then it's all dirty and falling apart. And he's like, yup. When you sit and you turn away from me, you're like, that dirty underwear, good for nothing.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: I thought that was pretty intense.
[00:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah, that is definitely obscure. Check the box. Good job.
[00:24:22] Speaker C: Never heard there are some good ones in those prophets.
Oh, yeah, I didn't. I wasn't familiar with this one until we were studying clothing. But I love the story of Zachariah.
It's in chapter three. He has a vision of Joshua, the high priest.
[00:24:37] Speaker B: So not Joshua. That's in Exodus or Exodus.
[00:24:40] Speaker C: Not that one. Yeah, not that one.
[00:24:43] Speaker B: Joshua.
[00:24:44] Speaker C: Yeah.
He is covered in filthy clothes and angels come and they take off his dirty clothes and they put on this bright new robe and turban, and it's this picture of what Jesus is gonna do for us. He's gonna take our sin and our shame away and cover us. Us in something new and give us a new identity. And then we get to see that in fulfillment in revelation, when God's people are worshiping him in these robes that have been made white by the blood of the lamb. And the way that. That connects from the Old Testament all the way to revelation is just so cool.
[00:25:20] Speaker B: I'm hoping that we spend a whole episode on that one, because that one is so good. When you brought that to my attention, I was reading through it, and there's. Even Satan is in that story too, and he's accusing him. And God's like, oh, no, you don't get to accuse my people.
[00:25:35] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:25:35] Speaker B: It's just such a powerful.
[00:25:37] Speaker C: It really is.
[00:25:37] Speaker B: It's so powerful. Like I said, like, when. When it comes to, like, the. The idea of shame too, and just how God gives us freedom from that. That one's such a good one for that. Okay. One of my. I. I mean, there are so many obscure ones, but one of the. I don't know if it's. It's. It's a familiar story to people, but I don't think they ever have Paid attention probably to the theme of clothing in it. It the demon possessed man who is possessed with like the legion of demons, you know, and then like Jesus drives them out and into the pigs. Y' all know now I think which one I'm talking about because it's weird. It even was in the movie, the new movie Angel Studios put out King of Kings.
Anyways, it seems. It seems like a really weird story. We'll hopefully get into that this season too. But one of the first things that it says about this demon possessed man is that he was naked and unclothed and out of his mind.
And then you see after Jesus drives the demons out, that it says that he is clothed and in his right mind and sitting at the feet of Jesus.
And I just. The contrast there and the ways that Jesus is just so tender. Like that was the only reason he crossed the sea. That's the only miracle he did there. He left after that. And how Jesus destroyed just.
It just, it just fills me with so much excitement to talk about such a weird story that I think Christians are like, oh, let's not talk about that. Let's keep going. Like, the biggest thing is just, you know, weird. And. But it's so good.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: And it's so fun to see in these themes. Like, we're talking about clothing. But then you also start paying attention to the opposite. So what is clothing? Well, the opposite is unclothed. And so when you're studying one theme, you almost want to think, well, what's the opposite? Because pay attention to those two. Because God, in his goodness and just his ability to. He knows everything. This isn't an accident. This isn't something that we're reading into the text. It's there. God designed it to be there.
And so when you see one theme, you see the opposite theme. And just what God is trying to communicate. And it's so exciting. And it just makes me love God so much more. It's like this muscle flex that God does of like, see what I did there? See that?
[00:27:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And I hope what people have heard too, is that it's not even okay.
We are all three self professed Bible nerds. We are. We love the information, we love theology, we love of digging into Scripture. But like, it is not just about the information. It's about the transformation and how looking at the Bible through these themes, it just brings transformation to our lives. So should we give them some homework? Should we give our listeners.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: I think that sounds like it. You know, our kids get homework. We need homework.
[00:28:12] Speaker C: Yeah, for sure. What do you have in mind?
[00:28:14] Speaker B: Well, I was thinking that it would be fun to assign them passages and maybe we'll do that in future episodes. But I was thinking we could just invite them, ask them, require them. I don't know.
[00:28:28] Speaker A: Encourage mandatory.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Okay, Strongly encourage is a good one. Okay. Strongly encourage them that wherever they are in their reading the Bible, whatever Bible study they're doing, whatever passages, whatever part of the Bible recap they're in to keep their eyes peeled for the theme of clothing and.
[00:28:44] Speaker A: Or nakedness and shame.
[00:28:46] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Or naked incident and. Yeah. So, yeah, I think. I think a soft requirement. Strongly suggested. Highly.
[00:28:55] Speaker A: It will benefit you.
[00:28:56] Speaker C: And also.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: So.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Okay, can I take a step further? So, as you're seeing those, we want to see you because we're sitting in a studio, we want to interact with you. We would love it if, as you encounter those stories in your passages that you're reading, could you, like, take a picture and, like, tag us in it in a story or something on your social media? Because we would love to interact with you and see you and talk with you that way, too.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: I mean, we have not exhausted all of the themes of clothing by any means. Oh, they would be so excited to see what other people.
[00:29:27] Speaker A: Would be fine.
[00:29:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:29:29] Speaker B: So.
[00:29:29] Speaker C: Well, before we let them go, can I just close with one verse to leave us with?
[00:29:34] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:29:35] Speaker C: All right. This comes from Colossians 3, verse 12. And it says, put on then as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate, hearts, kindness, humility, meekness and patience.
